And yet, phart is still unwilling to understand the message of the article, that is, that it's about the fact that everyone has been talking about forgiveness, everyone except trump who only said that he HATES. He hates, he hates he hates. He hates so much that he's proud to say it out loud. Even though i had the article translated, from standard English, in what I thought was phart's language, he still won't understand. How do you explain this?

Of course Obama didn't deserve it. Many times this prize is awarded to warmongers.

CAT52!, I did my best to translate the article
I posted earlier
in a language that I guess that this fellow phart might understand. It's just a guess. But I'm not sure. He might want a translation in Choctaw or Cherokee, but I'm not sure.

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Now this here’s a story I done told before, but I’m fixin’ to tell it again — only this time I’m usin’ words simple enough that our buddy phart, bless his backwoods soul, might halfway understand it. It’s a story ‘bout pain, mercy, and a whole mess o’ what this country’s strugglin’ with.

Starts back in Charleston, South Carolina — hot, heavy air hangin’ over the city like a wet blanket. A young fella named Dylann Roof, full o’ hate and bad ideas, walked hisself into Mother Emanuel A.M.E. Church like he belonged. Sat there all quiet while folks prayed, then pulled a gun and did the unthinkable — killed nine good churchgoin’ folks in cold blood.

Now, you’d reckon what came next would be pure fire and fury. But here’s where things turned. Just two days later, some o’ them victims’ families stood up in court, lookin’ that boy square in the eye... and they forgave him. Forgave him, Lord have mercy. One mama said her heart was broke clean in two, but she still forgave. Said the Lord’s grace was bigger than hate.

Then President Obama come down for the service. He gave a speech, but it’s what he did at the end that folks remember — sang “Amazing Grace” right there in the pulpit. Voice crackin’, eyes glistenin’, every soul in the place feelin’ it deep. It weren’t no show — it was somethin’ holy.

Fast-forward to now, and there’s a new heartbreak. Charlie Kirk, a conservative firebrand, got himself gunned down speakin’ at a college. Tragedy again. But this time, his wife, Erika Kirk, stood tall and calm at the memorial and said she forgave the shooter. Said Jesus would’ve done the same, and that hate won’t have the last word.

But then here comes Donald Trump, standin’ at the same event, and boy howdy, his tone was a whole different BEAST. Said he HATED his opponent, didn’t want what’s best for ‘em. Wasn’t talkin’ ‘bout no forgiveness — just grudges and vengeance, like settlin’ scores at a cockfight. His folks cheered, too — folks who’d rather holler than heal, if you catch my meanin’.

The fella who wrote this article — Mr. Remnick — he ain’t just talkin’ politics, though. He’s sayin’ grace ain’t some soft, church-Sunday kinda thing. It’s tough. It’s real. It means choosin’ to love when hate’s easier. It means doin’ the slow, back-breakin’ work of talkin’ to folks who don’t think like you and tryin’ to turn that mule of a mindset one inch at a time.

He says hope don’t come from the White House — not from some speech, not from some savior in a suit. Naw, hope comes from folks like them mamas in Charleston, like that widow in Utah, who choose not to be eaten alive by anger. That kind of grace? That’s harder than shootin’ off your mouth, and a whole lot braver too.

CAT52!, isn't it amazing? This guy still doesn't have a clue of what the article said. He keeps changing the subject. But I'm sure, CAT52!, you did understand the the whole point was the concept of hate.

What language, in your opinion, should the article be translated into so that phart understands?

This is a rhetorical question. I do know the answer.

It's the size of my cock. Small, albeit active.

Did you read the article? It's really nice and moving. The point of it is, of course, forgiveness. And the stark contrast with y,our president's attitude towards it: he doesn't know the word. He only knows hate. A word which he uttered out loud even right after the widow of Kirk spoke about forgiveness.

And then you got this imbecile phart who replied by posting an irrelevant link about Muslim violence.

As I wrote above: What The Fuck?

Know what i mean, CAT?

What the fuck are you talking about? You missed the whole point. Read again, you may get it. If you don't, then translate in your native language and make another attempt.

Why are you replying with an irrelevant link?

Get a grip of yourself.

In the article below I emphasise the important points by asterisks ***. I also link the source.

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Grace and Disgrace

On a humid Charleston evening ten years ago, a ninth-grade dropout with a bowl haircut named Dylann Roof walked into a Bible-study class at Mother Emanuel A.M.E. Church, home to the oldest historically Black congregation in South Carolina. Roof, twenty-one, carried a .45-calibre Glock semi-automatic and eight magazines of hollow-point bullets. He settled into a seat near Clementa Pinckney, the church’s pastor and a state senator, who was leading a discussion of a parable from the Gospel of Mark. Around them sat a dozen parishioners, all Black, mostly women decades older than Roof.
Roof had set down his creed on a website he called “The Last Rhodesian”: a lonely, seething hatred of Black people, Jews, Asians, and Hispanics.

***He posted photographs of himself holding a Confederate flag and standing at Sullivan’s Island, where hundreds of thousands of Africans had once been sold into bondage.***

“We have no skinheads, no real K.K.K., no one doing anything but talking on the internet,” he wrote. “Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.”
In the Bible-study class, Roof sat quietly for forty-five minutes.

***When the assembled bowed their heads in prayer, he stood, drew the Glock, and began to fire—pausing only to reload, then firing again. He loosed some seventy-five rounds.***

Tywanza Sanders, a young barber who had come with his mother, collapsed to the floor.

***As he lay dying, he asked, “Why are you doing this?”
“Y’all are raping our women and taking over the country,” Roof replied.***

He spotted a woman praying under a table. “Shut up. Did I shoot you yet?”
“No,” she said.
“I’m going to let you live,” he told her, “so you can tell the story of what happened.”
What lingers in memory from Charleston, beyond the horror of the massacre, are the funerals that followed—above all, Barack

***Obama at the service for Clementa Pinckney, closing his eulogy by singing the first verse of “Amazing Grace.” That unscripted hymn may have been the most moving moment of his Presidency.***

Yet another moment was still more poignant, and, for many, beyond comprehension.

***Two days after the murders, at Roof’s bond hearing, the families of the dead spoke through their grief. They did not renounce him. They forgave him.***

Felicia Sanders, Tywanza’s mother, addressed Roof directly: “We welcomed you Wednesday night in our Bible study with open arms. You have killed some of the most beautiful people that I know. Every fibre in my body hurts, and I will never be the same. But, as we say in Bible study, we enjoyed you. May God have mercy on you.” The daughter of Ethel Lance, who died at the age of seventy, told him, “You took something very precious away from me . . . but I forgive you.” Obama later said that the “decency and goodness of the American people shines through in these families.”


It was impossible not to recall those words of mercy while watching the memorial service, last Sunday, for Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist assassinated this month as he spoke at Utah Valley University. Tens of thousands of people filled a stadium in Glendale, Arizona, to honor him. Kirk was thirty-one, with a wife and two small children. The service lasted more than five hours, but the moment that stilled the crowd came when his widow,

***Erika, spoke of her husband’s [Charlie Kirk's] killer in the language of absolution. “That man, that young man, I forgive him,” she said.***

“I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love—love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.”

******President Donald Trump, who spoke next, embraced Erika Kirk, but at the microphone he all but rebuked the spirit of her forgiveness. Charlie Kirk, he said, in the course of a self-regarding and vengeful ramble, “did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That’s where I disagreed with Charlie. I HATE my opponent. And I don’t want the best for them.”******


Other Administration speakers, including J. D. Vance and Stephen Miller, echoed Trump, not Erika Kirk.

***Retribution, division, grievance—this is the official language of the regime.***

At the start of Trump 1.0, the journalist Salena Zito wrote in The Atlantic that the press took him literally but not seriously; his supporters took him seriously but not literally. The line was meant to suggest how out of touch the press was. Trump himself told Zito that his true aim was, in her words, to “bring the country together—no small task.”
Of course, this was never the case, and each week brings fresh evidence of the darkness we are being led into: the attack on the rule of law, the weaponization of the state against the President’s enemies, the erosion of civil liberties, the colossal Trump-family grift. The assault is relentless. In the days after the memorial, Trump managed to “unite” the country by renewing his threats against Jimmy Kimmel, a comedian guilty of nothing more than making fun of him; by pushing through a last-minute indictment of James Comey; by convening a press conference where he pronounced on the science of autism—“based on what I feel”—in a manner so reckless that it was guaranteed to sow confusion and anguish among parents desperate for clarity; and by informing the United Nations that America is “the hottest country anywhere,” that he deserves Nobel Prizes for ending “seven unendable wars,” that the U.N. is a useless organization, and that climate change is “the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world.” We look forward to next week.
It is not easy to reconcile the act of forgiveness with some of the positions Charlie Kirk once took. They were in moral opposition to the civil-rights-era spirit that infused the parishioners of Mother Emanuel. But his instinct to argue, to engage, left open the possibility of evolution. Trump is long past that horizon. His appetites and his animosities only deepen. Hope lies not in expecting a late-in-life conversion experience in the Oval Office but in carrying out the ordinary work of civic life—in persuading neighbors, friends, even family who have supported Trump to reconsider their decision, one hard conversation at a time. Grace is not weakness but resolve, the Charleston families believed, and politics, too, depends on a willingness to coax one another toward better ground. In that work of persuasion, of politics—slow, imperfect, yet necessary—we attempt to close the distance between what we are and what we might still become. ♦

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Very good.

You're condoning ****. Fucking a drink woman is **** because she can't consent

Ananas2xLekker is a very rational person. The exact opposite is phart. I've never met anyone who's more reactionary and narrow minded. Well, i don't live in the US so I don't meet maga cult followers. Sociologically, however, it's extremely interesting to see the humanity can produce such people.

Like I said, you'd never ever in a billion years admit that your god extorted money.

I didn't expect anything human from you. Because if you sympathised with the sexual assaulted girl then you'd have to sympathise with all the women that your dear god has assaulted. And you'd never do that.

Lady Gaga gets emotional while slamming trump
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She is very right. She justifies her sentences fully.

What is this about?

The quote “she has no memory that she was at the party, should we trust that she remembers the assault?”—was made by trump during a campaign rally in Southaven, Mississippi, on October 2, 2018. He was mocking Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, who had testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee that she was sexually assaulted by then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh at a high school party in the early 1980s.

In his speech, trump imitated Ford's testimony, saying,

“How did you get home? 'I don't remember.' How did you get there? 'I don't remember.'”

He used Ford's inability to recall certain details of the alleged assault to question her credibility, despite her clear recollection of the core event.

Experts in trauma and memory later criticized Trump's comments, explaining that trauma victims often remember the central details of distressing events but may forget peripheral ones due to how the brain processes traumatic experiences.

trump's remarks were widely condemned by Democrats and some Republicans, who viewed them as inappropriate and harmful to survivors of sexual assault. However, his comments were applauded by many of his supporters, reflecting the deep polarization surrounding the Kavanaugh confirmation process.

There is no excuse for trump's misogyny, cruelty, and refusal of sexual assault. Lady Gaga explains that very nicely.

The conclusion is that the maga are willing to ignore sexual assault and human rights. They say "it does not matter."

Ananas2xLekker wrote:
"Yep, Trump is extorting money form companies again,
and like good little cucks, they suck his dick. PATHETIC!"
And he went on to justify his claim.

And I'm 10000% sure that the fascistoid, phart will do anything to refute this fact. It does not matter, he'll say, that trump extorted money. His god can do anything he likes. And, using his usual response tactic, he'll diffuse the matter in petty ways such as referring to another person, probably democrat, who has also extorted money. And he'll say: "see? those far left people also extort money." He'll do anything to avoid attaching even the slightest responsibility to his dear leader and his cronies.

I agree with Ananas2xLekker too. How can I not? Only if I were inhuman I wouldn't.

Ok

Your mentality is that of an American villager from the boonies, one of those who watch the televangelists, pray to trump and go to maga gatherings for their cultural development.

Correct

Just read what phart writes. It's obvious he knows nothing about the world outside his village besides what the maga excrete when they pretend to talk.

Ha ha ha.

Nobody can quote Socrates you bozo, because Socrates wrote nothing.

Bury your head in a hole and shoot your neighbours with your guns.

How the hell can he know anything at all about Europe, or Asia, or any place other than his, say, West Virginia village? He, like millions of Americans, have no idea about quality of life elsewhere. They think they live in the best place, but can't even dream what is like to live in, say, Almaty where I currently reside. I'm in a very safe place, with very affordable living, great culture, ranging from European to Asian, and where guns are scarce. He's so fucking uninformed and deluded and, what's even more funny, he knows he is uninformed and takes pride in it.

This kind of mentality, these kind of people, don't exist in many places in the world. Even the nomads i meet in the vast open places around here have much more understanding of the world and, more importantly, of what it means to be human, than imbeciles like phart and other maga clowns.

Ha ha.

Read his "reply". Once again, he's diffusing the matter, just like his supreme leader. I was speaking about trump's promises that prices would go down. He ignored that.


Also, he thinks he knows what's going on in other countries when, in reality, he only knows what's going on in the boonies he lives in.

Another irrelevant answer!
You can't reply.

Excellent evidence!

Still, phart, in his lifelong endeavour to deify his Dear Leader, will doggedly deny, deny, deny.

Why would phart refute the fact that prices are going up, despite trump's promises?

Answer: because he believes in him blindly so he'll deny everything no matter how true it is.

Just listen to trump. Your brain will be enhanced: it will shrink irreparably.

phart asked me to reply on his behalf. He has a compelling proof that you're wrong. The proof is that this is fake news propagated by the radical left.

I think he's right.

What about food prices?
He promised he'd lower them and millions of people voted for that.

Has he done that?

So that you can communicate.
Read again what I wrote.

How did you reach out to creampie city? Can you tell me? Maybe pm.

A nice pussy or, simply, a horny pussy that needs to be fucked. That's what makes me horny.

I'm not talking about English as a school or academic subject, I'm talking about English as YOUR OWN LANGUAGE. I've no idea what you're saying above and I see that Ananas2xLekker also has a hard time understanding what you wrote.

I noticed that lots and lots of maga people, including your supreme leader, can't talk properly. Which is incredible. It's like saying they can't use their hands properly .

1. When I read what
Ananas2xLekker writes I understand his English, even though his native language is Dutch. When I read what you write, even though English is your mother tongue, then more often than not I don't understand what you meant to write, not because of lack of information from my side, but because of lack of syntactical coherence in your writing.

2. The above is not meant to be an offence, but I truly don't have a clue of what you're saying above other than isolated excerpts from your sentences.

3. It seems that your answer, whatever it meant to say, was irrelevant to whatever I wrote. You do this kind of thing all the time. You don't even address the issue. You just sidetrack, divert and give irrelevant replies.

4. In fact, I shouldn't use the word "reply" because what I wrote wasn't addressed to you and, in fact, had nothing to do with you. All I was presenting was the eventually fate of people who don't speak up or act.

5. I can't be a democrat, in the US sense, because I've nothing to do with the US and also because that party is corrupt too. I would never be anything or belong to any organisation, religion, party, affiliation. I'm an independent human being.

6. I think I can make sense of what you are trying to say in the latter part of your diatribe: if someone speaks and says something uncomfortable to some others then those people should stop listening and just go away. There's freedom of speech, which is a basic human right, and so long as it's exercised without threat or violence, it should be treated as such: as talk that if you don't agree with you talk back, if you wish, without violence, or walk away. I'm in full agreement (provided I understand what you tried to say).

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there I did not speak out
Because I was not me

(By that point, I had become a vegetable, ready to do whatever they ordered, I had no thinking facilities left, no conscience, no personality, no emotions, and when they came for me I knew they were right, they had to exterminate me because the dear leader wished that it be so.)

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That's so hot! But where exactly are you when you rub your clit? At work? Outside?

If I were to suggest an educational video for you I'd probably show you a manual on how to join the KKK or a video on how to attack an immigrant or a song that celebrates your far right wing reactionary beliefs.

Actually, the latter may be suitable for you. Here's the link:

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It's the HitlerLeute (Hitler's people) song. Written and sang for Hitler's birthday. Take it and change its lyrics to make it suitable for your supreme leader's birthday.

You're welcome.

I didn't expect you to be interested. In any case, I didn't post it for you. And I'd never discuss a literature with any far right wing person because they don't believe in education or development of the intellect in any way. The only thing they're interested is promotion of ignorance and thuggish behavior.

Again, it's not for you.

A series of videos on Literary Criticism

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Carrots are great food. I love eating them in all kinds of ways, including raw. Also with beetroots. Or boiled with a bit of olive oil and balsamic vinegar.

What's the point of this video that phart linked? It has nothing to do with this thread.

You're going on a tangent again.
You're unable to simply stick to the point of my message.

I never mentioned kirk or his killer, both disgusting human beings. You did.

You love death. Like these two people.

I'm not sure why you're replying to my comment addressed to ananas2xlekker. Perhaps because you detected that I was, of course, hinting on the obvious fact that the vast majority of uneducated, backwards-thinking, unable to express themselves Americans belong to the maga clan, a clan that values ignorance over logic?

By the way, I wasn't referring to the grammar or even the syntax of a foreign individual, @ananas2xlekker in this instance, but more to the coherence of his speech, the eloquence and logical rigidity of his arguments and the large scale structure of his writings, something totally absent in the clan of Americans i was refereeing to above?

A clan to which you too belong, and are espousing its rotten ideals, including their love for ignorance, and perhaps you immediately saw yourself as being a prime member of the maga-clan and therefore got annoyed by my criticism?

Once again, I'm 100% in agreement and enjoy your flawless thinking and argumentation.

Hi cat

A side remark: Am I right to say that your native language is Dutch and not English? And yet, you express yourself in English very eloquently and using logic. There are millions of people who only soak English whose writing is much below yours. I can read and follow your postings very well. I can't say this for some e.g. Americans who write in this forum.